Something to talk about

Posted by David on Sunday, June 4, 2006 at 1:57 PM.

I've been painting this weekend, which is always a bad idea. And while I've been painting -- when KEXP hasn't been occupying my mind -- I've been thinking about this question:

Imagine that you've been contacted by aliens. You're satisfied that you're not insane, didn't hallucinate it, etc. -- that it really, truly happened. However, you have no objective proof to show anyone to convince them -- no artifacts, no mysterious tattoos, no burn patterns on the ground, no impossible knowledge, nothing. Not even a damn crop circle.

How would you convince people it really happened? Say you had a message to deliver, for example, so there's a reason you need to convince people. How would you get people to believe that you're not insane?

Remember:
1) You know it's true.
2) You have no evidence to show anyone else.
3) You need to convince people it happened.


rfkj, on Sunday, June 4, 2006 at 7:06 PM:

It depends on the message and the urgency and scope of the need to disseminate it. A website and a full-page ad in the New York times would do the trick, keeping in mind Gandhi's axiom: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Start a religion. It worked for L. Ron Hubbard. All you need is a couple of insecure celebrities, as long as blatantly exploiting people to get the word out sits well with your moral outlook.

If it's a philosophy rather than something like "All these worlds are yours except Europa," you could always attempt to sneak it in in a work of fiction or a piece of music.

Interesting problem.


gracie, on Sunday, June 4, 2006 at 11:54 PM:

Lie detector... Hypnosis...

Hunger strike... Extravagant suicide...

Sally Struthers...


Savannah, on Monday, June 5, 2006 at 8:43 AM:

Why is it a bad idea for you to paint?


david adam edelstein, on Monday, June 5, 2006 at 10:07 AM:

I'm really much more of a "hire it done" than a "do it yourself" kind of guy.

I don't enjoy doing house projects, I'm not good at them, and I don't get any more satisfaction out of them when they're done than I would if someone else had done it.


GeoGeek, on Monday, June 5, 2006 at 10:26 AM:

I think there are 2 other possible ways to accomplish this:

1. Start vehemently denying the prescence of any such message to anyone who you meet. Deny any involvement with aliens, deny there was ever a message. People will become intrigued and demand to hear what the message is. The more you deny it's existence, the more people will demand to hear it.

2. Go to your congressman. Hand him/her a tape with the message recorded on it, claiming that you taped it over a police scanner, and that it's a cell phone coversation with the opposing party's leader involved in a conspiracy. People will focus on the conspiracy, but the message will also get out.


Savannah, on Monday, June 5, 2006 at 10:42 AM:

Oh, see, I thought you meant artistic painting, and I had visions of Miz B going down to the basement at 3 AM and finding you huddled on your paint-spattered drop cloth near a torn-up canvas, turpentine and brushes everywhere, with phthalo and cadmium rubbed in your hair, while you trembled and ramblingly quoted Antonin Artaud. And she would say "David, you know it's a bad idea for you to paint," and lead you upstairs by the hand.

GeoGeek's "vehemently deny" idea is great.


stacy, on Monday, June 5, 2006 at 8:54 PM:

okay, if I absolutely wanted everyone to know the message, I would try one of two things:
1) Make it part of the right wing/left wing agenda.
2) Leak it to "Entertainment Tonight" as if it happened to or for George Clooney
3) Accept that hte only people who need to know it are the ones who will believe me and that if they are aliens, they probably could tell everyone in the world if they really really wanted to, so perhaps they are doing some kind of weird LOST! experiment on some of us to find out how we'd tell everyone this thing that they made us believe was so important.
I love this question and questions like this.


heather, on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 at 9:58 PM:

Turn it into an NBC drama.

It worked for West Wing. There are still people who think that Martin Sheen really was President of the United States. And for those who don't believe, they wish it was true :-)



Um... maybe you should practice on something smaller, grasshopper.

Posted by David on Sunday, June 4, 2006 at 9:40 AM.

Kung fu fan tries to stop train

A 17-year-old boy surnamed Liang almost died when he tried to use a kung fu movement to stop a running train in Laibin Railway Station in South China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region on Tuesday, Nanguo Jinbao reported.

Liang was pushed to safety by a railway policeman just as he was about to be knocked down. Liang jumped down to the tracks and wanted to use Xianglongshibazhang, a famous kung fu posturing described in many swordsman fictions, to stop the running train.

He was taken into custody for breaking railway rules and said he wanted to test whether or not he could use kung fu to stop the train. Liang is a great fan of swordsman fiction and has also learnt martial arts.


Christian, on Monday, June 5, 2006 at 3:43 PM:

Must be a full moon or something:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060605/od_nm/ukraine_lion_dc



Creationists gone wild

Posted by David on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 1:47 PM.

Well, this was only a matter of time:

Challenged by Creationists, Museums Answer Back

ITHACA, N.Y. - Lenore Durkee, a retired biology professor, was volunteering as a docent at the Museum of the Earth here when she was confronted by a group of seven or eight people, creationists eager to challenge the museum exhibitions on evolution.

They peppered Dr. Durkee with questions about everything from techniques for dating fossils to the second law of thermodynamics, their queries coming so thick and fast that she found it hard to reply.

After about 45 minutes, "I told them I needed to take a break," she recalled. "My mouth was dry."

That encounter and others like it provided the impetus for a training session here in August. Dr. Durkee and scores of other volunteers and staff members from the museum and elsewhere crowded into a meeting room to hear advice from the museum director, Warren D. Allmon, on ways to deal with visitors who reject settled precepts of science on religious grounds.

Similar efforts are under way or planned around the country as science museums and other institutions struggle to contend with challenges to the theory of evolution that they say are growing common and sometimes aggressive.

One company, called B.C. Tours "because we are biblically correct," even offers escorted visits to the Denver Museum of Science and Nature. Participants hear creationists' explanations for the exhibitions.

So officials like Judy Diamond, curator of public programs at the University of Nebraska State Museum in Lincoln, are trying to meet such challenges head-on.

Dr. Diamond is working on evolution exhibitions financed by the National Science Foundation that will go on long-term display at six museums of natural history from Minnesota to Texas. The program includes training for docents and staff members.

"The goal is to understand the controversies, so that people are better able to handle them as they come up," she said. "Museums, as a field, have recognized we need to take a more proactive role in evolution education."

Maybe it's because I'm mean-spirited, but I think that training docents better isn't exactly what I was looking for in a head-on response.

Instead, we should gather people together, go to the churches that are participating in this stupidity, and challenge them to their face on doctrinal matters that conflict with settled precepts of science, or that are internally inconsistent.

Possible subjects (and yes, some of these are low-hanging fruit):

  • Adam and Eve. We're all descended from them? Who did Cain marry, then? Why aren't we all inbred?
  • Lot. Sleeps with his daughters. This is the one good man saved from Sodom?
  • Leviticus. So, what's with the meat and cheese in the after-church casserole?

I'm sure y'all can come up with other examples. Who's with me? As Miz Becky likes to say, "oh, it's ON."


rfkj, on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 2:39 PM:

Most of Leviticus is an easy, easy target. You're familiar, of course, with godhatesshrimp.com.

I'm in favor of an even more direct approach. Let's tail the loonies to museums. We can start with saying "*cough*idiot*cough" and move on to saying "Shut the hell up, dumbass."


Sarah, on Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 10:41 AM:

Argh! Why are we lending credibility to their arguments?? Creationists and "Intelligent Design" share the top spot on Sarah's Big (and we're talking BIG) List of Pet Peeves. (I am thinking of turning it into a VH1 special, but I digress.) And for so many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that apparently only a Judeo-Christian version of "God" is capable of "intelligent design", since that's the only acceptable-to-teach-in-a-public-school alternative to Evolution, according to these delusionals. Closely followed by the fact that evolution is not a theory, but an observable fact. They always gloss over that point.
I am all for the discussion of alternatives to natural selection (e.g. punctuated equilibrium) being taught in a biology class...that's what science is all about. But if they insist on forcing non-scientific conjecture to be taught in my classroom, they shouldn't complain when I replace their copies of the New Book of Praise with articles from Nature.


rfkj, on Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 6:37 PM:

I've got some! "If the design of human beings is so intelligent, explain why giving birth is so godawfully painful."

"If the design of human beings is so intelligent, please explain why we're not 100% efficient in processing food."

"If etc. etc., explain the appendix."

"Who designs an elimination organ that doubles as a reproductive organ?"

The real problem, of course, is that we can do this until we're blue in the face and it's not gonna do a lick of good. All the counterquestioning and scientific evidence in the world isn't going to change the fact that for these people, the only theory (and I use the term loosely) that requires no proof is their own. All they need to say is "I believe it because it is in the Bible and that is all I need to know." For them, that's a sufficient proof.

Okay, okay, and the other real problem is that they're deliberately distorting the English language. The word "theory" has a meaning in science that is utterly different from its meaning in the humanities. In the sciences, theories are solid conclusions derived from observable facts, n'est ce pas? In humanities, theories are conjectures: the theory, for example, that Lincoln was gay is supported by...what exactly?

I agree with Sarah that we shouldn't even give these people an argument, because it just means we think they're worth debating. That's why I think we should just tail them and tell them to shut the hell up.



One point to the spontaneous combustion theorists!

Posted by David on Monday, September 19, 2005 at 11:25 AM.

At least in Australia, it seems it could actually happen.

Power-dressing man leaves trail of destruction SYDNEY (Reuters) - An Australian man built up a 40,000-volt charge of static electricity in his clothes as he walked, leaving a trail of scorched carpet and molten plastic and forcing firefighters to evacuate a building.

Frank Clewer, who was wearing a woolen shirt and a synthetic nylon jacket, was oblivious to the growing electrical current that was building up as his clothes rubbed together.

When he walked into a building in the country town of Warrnambool in the southern state of Victoria Thursday, the electrical charge ignited the carpet.

"It sounded almost like a firecracker," Clewer told Australian radio Friday.

"Within about five minutes, the carpet started to erupt."

Employees, unsure of the cause of the mysterious burning smell, telephoned firefighters who evacuated the building.

"There were several scorch marks in the carpet, and we could hear a cracking noise -- a bit like a whip -- both inside and outside the building," said fire official Henry Barton.

Firefighters cut electricity to the building thinking the burns might have been caused by a power surge.

Clewer, who after leaving the building discovered he had scorched a piece of plastic on the floor of his car, returned to seek help from the firefighters.

"We tested his clothes with a static electricity field meter and measured a current of 40,000 volts, which is one step shy of spontaneous combustion, where his clothes would have self-ignited," Barton said.

"I've been firefighting for over 35 years and I've never come across anything like this," he said.

Firefighters took possession of Clewer's jacket and stored it in the courtyard of the fire station, where it continued to give off a strong electrical current.

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Allen, on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 8:15 AM:

did you happen to watch Naked Science on the National Geographic Channel last night? They had a special on Human Sponteneous Combustions :)